(anonymised), 22-05-1992 00:10


22-05-1992 00:10



testimony record

Q: What time have you started work today?

A: 10 PM.

Q: And what exactly did you do after arrival to (anonymised)?

A: We unpacked our equipment in the parking and started the work.

Q: You started at 4th floor?

A: No, I started at 3rd and later moved up.

Q: You always start at 3rd floor?

A: Yes, I vacuum the 3rd floor and clean the stairs on the way up. When I finish the 4th floor, I ride a lift down to the lobby.

Q: Have you seen anyone while you were cleaning?

A: No, all the offices were empty.

Q: What time have you arrived at 4th floor?

A: Few minutes before I found the body.

Q: So it was around 23:40?

A: Yes, something like that.

Q: And office 412 was the first one you cleaned on the 4th floor?

A: Yes.

Q: Why?

A: Because it is the closest to the stairs.

Q: You usually start cleaning 4th floor around that time?

A: No, I was a little late.

Q: Why?

A: I had to clean something off the stairs.

Q: What was it exactly?

A: I don’t know, but I had problems with washing it off. Something white...

Q: So how late were you at 4th floor?

A: About 10 or 15 minutes.

Q: And you did not hear the shots being fired?

A: No.

Q: Were the doors to office 412 closed when you arrived?

A: Yes.

Q: So, what did you do when you entered 412?

A: I started to vacuum the outer office, then I moved to the corridor between the offices.

Q: You noticed something unusual?

A: Not until I reached the door to the office...

Q: Were they closed?

A: No, they were wide open, but the lights inside the office were off.

Q: You entered the office?

A: I noticed something strange on the floor, so I switched the lights on.

Q: Have you touched anything inside the office?

A: No, just the light switch.

Q: How about the door to the other office?

A: They were closed.

Q: Have you noticed anything unusual apart from the body?

A: No.

Q: Did you know (anonymised)?

A: I’ve seen him in the office working late.

Q: Did you ever spoke to him?

A: Not really, just tried not to disturb him too much.

Q: Have you ever met anyone else in the 412 offices?

A: Yes, I’ve met the other guy, (anonymised).

Q: Did you spoke to him?

A: Yeah, he’s quite chatty.

Q: When was the last time you met him in the office?

A: Few times in last 2 months.

Q: How often do you clean the offices in (anonymised)?

A: Twice a week.

Q: Is it possible that someone went past you on the stairs while you were cleaning them?

A: No, I would notice that.

Q: How about the lift? Was anyone using it while you were on 3rd or 4th floor?

A: No. The lift is not exactly quiet, so I would notice.

(anonymised), 22-05-1992 00:20


22-05-1992 00:20



testimony record

Q: (anonymised) found the body?

A: Yes.

Q: How long does he work for you?

A: About 9 months now.

Q: Does he always clean the 4th floor?

A: Yes, 3rd and 4th.

Q: Why only those two?

A: Three people work on the building at the same time, (anonymised) takes care of the top two floors, another one cleans the 1st and 2nd floor, while the third is taking care of the lobby and front entrance.

Q: How long does it take them to clean one floor in (anonymised)?

A: Usually we try to finish floor within 30 to 40 minutes.

Q: Did (anonymised) told you that he was held up in the stairs?

A: Yes, he was cleaning something on the stairs.

Q: Have you seen the spillage on the stairs?

A: No, I was downstairs all the time.

Q: Did you see him cleaning it?

A: No, he told me that later, when he came down after discovering the body.

Q: Did any of the other two cleaners saw anything unusual?

A: Not that I know of.

Q: How often do you clean here?

A: Twice a week, on Fridays and Tuesdays.

Q: Always during the night?

A: Yes.

Q: Do you have keys to the offices in the building?

A: No, the cleaners take the keys from the night porter.

(anonymised), 22-05-1992 00:25


22-05-1992 00:25



testimony record

Q: What time have you started work today in (anonymised)?

A: About 10 PM, as usual.

Q: Have you noticed anything unusual?

A: No.

Q: What floors were you working?

A: First and second.

Q: Where have you started? On first?

A: Yes.

Q: And you used stairs to climb to second?

A: Yes.

Q: What time was it?

A: I don’t know. About 10:30 I guess, maybe few minutes past.

Q: Have you seen anyone on the stairs?

A: No. Only (anonymised)...

Q: You met him on the stairs?

A: Not really, I’ve heard him. We usually get around the same times to the stairs, so I’ve heard him vacuum. And when I finished my part of the stairs, I’ve heard him swearing while he was scrubbing something.

Q: But you haven’t seen him?

A: No, he was somewhere higher than second floor.

Q: And you did not hear the shots being fired?

A: No.

Q: Have you heard anyone using the lift while you were cleaning the building?

A: No.

Q: Do you have keys to the offices on higher floors?

A: No, each of us gets only the keys he needs to access the offices he will be cleaning.

Q: Do you always clean those two floors?

A: Usually yes.

Q: But not always?

A: No, once or twice I was cleaning the top floors when (anonymised) was sick.

Q: When was it?

A: I don’t remember. Six, maybe seven, weeks ago.

Q: Have you ever met anyone from office 412?

A: Yeah, one guy, real chatterbox.

Q: What were you talking about?

A: Just small talk.

Q: He was alone?

A: Yeah, he was just leaving the floor when I finished the stairs.

Q: When exactly was that?

A: Not sure. Few weeks ago.

Q: And it was late night?

A: Yeah, as usual, between 11 PM and midnight.

Q: When you cleaned the office 412 that night, there wasn’t anyone inside?

A: No.

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